Comments on: More on negotiation, the wage gap, and self-help nonsense http://economicwoman.com/2009/05/27/more-on-negotiation-the-wage-gap-and-self-help-nonsense/ economics and feminism collide Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:23:47 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Style http://economicwoman.com/2009/05/27/more-on-negotiation-the-wage-gap-and-self-help-nonsense/#comment-836 Style Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:13:51 +0000 http://economicwoman.com/?p=102#comment-836 The 77/100 pay gap is a lie. Men work longer hours, harder, and deadlier jobs. The myth is deconstructed here: - http://www.swifteconomics.com/2009/09/21/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-the-wage-gap/ This isn't sexism, this is social engineering. And you've fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. That being said, it's easy to understand how some simpler-minded people can become confused with statements such as these: "One year out of college, women working full time earn 80 percent of what men earn, according to the study by the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation, based in Washington D.C. Ten years later, women earn 69 percent as much as men earn, it said. Even as the study accounted for such factors as the number of hours worked, occupations or parenthood, the gap persisted, researchers said. " Now, why didn't the study account for those factors to begin with? Hours, occupations, and parenthood are all important considerations - a lawyer who works 55-hour workweeks should not be compared to a social worker who works 30 hours a week. The study was designed to infuriate and confuse - its purpose is to instill hatred into men and corporations alike. The 77/100 pay gap is a lie. Men work longer hours, harder, and deadlier jobs. The myth is deconstructed here:
- http://www.swifteconomics.com/2009/09/21/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-the-wage-gap/
This isn’t sexism, this is social engineering. And you’ve fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
That being said, it’s easy to understand how some simpler-minded people can become confused with statements such as these:
“One year out of college, women working full time earn 80 percent of what men earn, according to the study by the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation, based in Washington D.C.

Ten years later, women earn 69 percent as much as men earn, it said.

Even as the study accounted for such factors as the number of hours worked, occupations or parenthood, the gap persisted, researchers said. ”
Now, why didn’t the study account for those factors to begin with? Hours, occupations, and parenthood are all important considerations – a lawyer who works 55-hour workweeks should not be compared to a social worker who works 30 hours a week.
The study was designed to infuriate and confuse – its purpose is to instill hatred into men and corporations alike.

]]> By: Lizzzzzzzz http://economicwoman.com/2009/05/27/more-on-negotiation-the-wage-gap-and-self-help-nonsense/#comment-761 Lizzzzzzzz Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:43:12 +0000 http://economicwoman.com/?p=102#comment-761 Right, statementsoffashion, I chose to be a high school teacher so I could have better work/life balance, and that's why today I worked from 7:30 am to 4 pm, went to yoga, ate dinner, and then did more lesson planning 7 p.m. until 9:30 pm. The first two years I taught? Forget yoga and dinner. There's no reason why modern society can't recognize that maternity and paternity are completely valid reasons to take (perhaps years of) time off work and not financially penalize people who do so. My job (the teacher thing) has a salary step system in which years of teaching and/or years of work related to teaching will put you on a higher step. How about child rearing as related work????????????? Right, statementsoffashion, I chose to be a high school teacher so I could have better work/life balance, and that’s why today I worked from 7:30 am to 4 pm, went to yoga, ate dinner, and then did more lesson planning 7 p.m. until 9:30 pm. The first two years I taught? Forget yoga and dinner.

There’s no reason why modern society can’t recognize that maternity and paternity are completely valid reasons to take (perhaps years of) time off work and not financially penalize people who do so.

My job (the teacher thing) has a salary step system in which years of teaching and/or years of work related to teaching will put you on a higher step. How about child rearing as related work?????????????

]]> By: statementsoffashion http://economicwoman.com/2009/05/27/more-on-negotiation-the-wage-gap-and-self-help-nonsense/#comment-741 statementsoffashion Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:39:25 +0000 http://economicwoman.com/?p=102#comment-741 Another factor in that statistic that you left out is the fact that women choose lower paying jobs like nursing and teaching that have a better work/life balance. This directly relates time off needed to bear and raise children, however, I don't believe this is sexism. It's biology. Yes, paternal leave could make it so men and women take off of work when they have children, and take other steps to make men and women split work and tasks at home more equally without a stigma, but nothing anyone can do will change the fact that women physically have babies. Men cannot. I say this as a feminist. Having children is not a handicap, it is part of what makes us women. Maybe we will always earn a little less than men and hold less leadership roles. As long as that is a result of choice, as I believe it currently is, women should not have to feel like the weaker sex as a result. Another factor in that statistic that you left out is the fact that women choose lower paying jobs like nursing and teaching that have a better work/life balance. This directly relates time off needed to bear and raise children, however, I don’t believe this is sexism.

It’s biology. Yes, paternal leave could make it so men and women take off of work when they have children, and take other steps to make men and women split work and tasks at home more equally without a stigma, but nothing anyone can do will change the fact that women physically have babies. Men cannot.

I say this as a feminist. Having children is not a handicap, it is part of what makes us women. Maybe we will always earn a little less than men and hold less leadership roles. As long as that is a result of choice, as I believe it currently is, women should not have to feel like the weaker sex as a result.

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